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Bible believers: What do you think was the chain of events regarding Satan's rebellion against God?
consider these passages

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Isaiah 14:12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

Ezekiel 28:13-15 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created. 14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. 15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.

Genesis 3:1-5 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?" 2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ " 4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Did Satan first try to get humans to join him in his rebellion or had had he already fallen when he started a rebellion against God and got Angels to join him?
Ezekiel refers to the "anointed cherub" a cherub is not a human king. In Isaiah Lucifer is the "power" behind the evil kings. The serpent in Genesis 3 is identified as the Devil in Revelation 12.

Since the bible gives us no indication, I cannot imagine what they might have been. That’s sort of like asking someone what would they guess happened during the life of someone that they’ve never met or read about. For example: what do you think was the chain of events resulting in my moving from one state to another?

2) consider these passages

Gen 1:26 – does not mention Satan directly or indirectly

Isa 14:12 – ditto

Eze 28:13-15 – ditto

Gen 3:1-5 – well, **IF** we assume that this was Satan (and not a serpent as is claimed by the bible), all it tells us for sure is that Satan was operating on Earth at the time and that there is no indication here that "Satan" had fallen from Heaven. Indeed, considering that Satan appears much later (certainly after the Noadic flood) in Job and is able to travel freely between Heaven and Earth in that account, it would seem that even at that "late" date Satan had not yet been cast out of Heaven as described by Jesus.

So, really, you have to base the "chain of events" on passages that actually refer to Satan, passages that you did not reference. Satan was not "cast out" during the time of Job (though he may already have incurred lesser disfavor), and he was able to "contest" with "the angel of the Lord" in Zechariah chapter 3. It *is* interesting that Satan is not described as an angel in Zechariah. It may be that this vision was of a future event – but IF I were to hazard a guess, I would begrudgingly admit that it would seem as if Satan may have been in rebellion in the time of Zechariah.

Some claim that the contest over Moses’ body is evidence of Satan’s fall at a fairly early date: however, Job was almost certainly written long after the time of Moses and recounts a person living a settled life (clearly not a nomadic one) in the Promised Land. Linguistic analysis likewise places Job later than Moses – in fact, either very late in the Kingdom Period or more probably even *later*. If we judge that Satan was not "cast out" in Job, then we have to believe that this happened sometime late in the Kingdom Period or afterward, but possibly before the time of Zechariah.

Revelation mentions "Satan and his angels". The problem here is: is this passage speaking of *actual* angels – supernatural beings created as servants for God? Or is it speaking of **messengers** – the actual translation of the term "angels"? More: Revelation tells us plainly that those events are in the future of the author – proving that the "fall" of Satan in Revelation cannot be the same as the one that Jesus witnessed *unless* Jesus was speaking prophetically. Considering Satan’s actions in the New Testament, it would seem extremely likely that he had already fallen from Heaven before Jesus spoke of witnessing that event. Therefore, the answer to the question of Satan’s angels is only more questions:
* are we speaking of supernatural beings or messengers?
* is there any evidence that Satan seduced other angels to follow him (instead of God) earlier than the time of Revelation?
* Revelation speaks of Satan enlisting humans in his rebellion against God, but this is clearly apocalyptic – by which I mean, an event that occurs in our future. We know that Satan attempted to enlist the ultra-powerful Jesus – but other than that, has he ever actually made an attempt (in the bible) to enlist human followers *prior* to the time of Revelation?

The answer is that the bible tells us next to nothing about the fall of Satan or of any **existing** (as opposed to **future**) following of supernatural angels.

Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com

http://www.bible-reviews.com | Nov 18, 2009

The adam and eve story and Noah are so clearly made up to try scare enpeople with an inclination to think independently that it should be a part of the dictator’s handbook on how to rule people.
Sisyphus | Nov 18, 2009

Saint Lucifer was an angel, the Angel of Music. He was God’s right hand man. God went to him when he needed council, and he asked Lucifer for advice. When God created the humans, according to the Christian belief, he told the angels to bow down not to Him anymore, but to the humans. Lucifer, along with several other angels (Including Gabriel, who was spared by God but cursed as the Angel of Death), blatantly told God that he could basically suck it, and led a rebellion. God, of course, prevailed, and punished Lucifer by placing him in a dimension far below Earth, and punished the other Angels by distorting them and banishing them to the same vile place (Hell).
Joey | Nov 18, 2009

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Super mega challenge for trinity believing Christians?
Where is the Biblical evidence of the Trinity?

Don’t say; "New tetament" or "they were nailed to the cross" or any other silly stuff.

Show me the Exact Verse/s to support it (if any).

Look at the 10 commandenments can you say you honstly follow them.

Remember this ; John 14:15(King James Version)

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Exodus 20:1-21 (King James Version)

Exodus 20
1And God spake all these words, saying,

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13Thou shalt not kill.

14Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15Thou shalt not steal.

16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his a** [I have to say a** because apparntly the other word for donkey is a violation to yahoo answers], nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

18And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

So where is the Evidence for the trinity (in the Bible),Ive already got one against it.(John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments)

7th Day adventist.

The trinity was invented a few centuries after the supposed execution of the insurgent Jesus. They had to reconcile current doctrine with other nonsense.

Balaam's Abused Donkey | Nov 03, 2009

OT Evidence:

1. 9 different Hebrew words for "ONE"

Of these 9 words the words "man", "woman" and "soul" those used to indicate
"one thing" are never applied to God or express the oneness of God because
God is not a "man", "woman", or "a soul".

There is also a word which means "absolute oneness" Ps.68:6, and this word
is also never applied to God.

2. There are several words for one that are applied to God but these words
indicate a "compound oneness."

Gen 1:5 The first day, a combination with two things "the evening and
morning, one day".

Gen 2:24 Adam and Eve became "one flesh" but they were both still separate
individuals. They were two but one and one but two.

Gen 3:22 "the man has become one of us, to know good and evil;" Adam and
Eve became one with God yet they did not lose their personhood or God his
divinity. There is nothing in the text to infer that God is speaking to the
angels. Thus the "us" in the text is God HIMSELF referring to HIMSELF in the
plural.

Gen 11:6 "the people were one" they were "one and many" at the same time.

Gen 34:16,22 The Shechemites wanted to become "one people" with the Jews.

2Chron 30:12 God gave the people "one heart" but they were thousands of
individuals.

Ezra 2:64 The congregation, 42,360 persons, is called "one".

Jer 32:39 Under the New Covenant God will give His people "one heart".

3. Deut 6:4, the main verse Jews use to teach the oneness of God uses the
same Hebrew word for one that the above examples use to show "compound
oneness."

This is exactly want a Christian, Trinitarian, would expect to find. It is
the only way in Hebrew to indicate that God is a composite unity of Persons
and not just one person. There is no other Hebrew word to express this
. In the OT both singular and plural nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and verbs
are used for God. Many scholars have tried to say that the use of plurals
in the OT is simple the "plural of majesty." Which is the same argument that
Muslims use to answer why Allah speaks of himself as "We" in the Quran.
Savation free gift | Nov 03, 2009